So I generally use my blog to chronicle my personal life. However, in light of the recent events regarding Pelosi (a fool's fool) and the resolution that looks like is going to pass deeming the events of 1915 in the Ottoamn Empire as a so-called genocide, I felt compelled to write about it.
First off, since when in hell are politicians in a position to act as though they are an authority on history? This whole issue is best for historians to sort out. Am I right?
Secondly, why in the world won't the Armenians go to the Hague and make their case if they are DEAD certain that they have one.
Thirdly, why won't the Armenians open up their God damn archives the way that Turkey has? Again, if they are soooo certain that they were systematically exterminated, what are they so afraid of?
One more question: in 1984 a letter was drafted and signed by (literally) dozens of HISTORIANS (from the U.S. and England) stating that the events of 1915 were NOT a genocide. So tell me, why did Armenian terrorists go after those historians who made this statement? Well, hellooo, Armos, remember your terrorist organization called ASALA. For those of you not familiar with ASALA, they were an Armenian terrorist organization who murdered scores of Turkish Diplomats and civilians.
Yes, I now loathe Armenians who sole national identity has been to have the world feel sorry for them for betraying the very govenment that had long been on their side. That is, up until Armenians got greedy and thought that they could carve out land of their own out of the Ottoman Empire. You all suck. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart
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I'm glad to see you can be mature about this.
Is the best that you can do? How about answering the questions??
I don't want to get into the issue of the Genocide here, but I do want to say this. Regardless of whatever is happening or will happen in the U.S. Congress, I have Turkish friends in London, Istanbul and the States. Regardless of whatever happens I think they will consider me the same too.
So, basically, while there are those Turks that hate all Armenians, and Armenians that hate all Turks, I believe that there are some of us -- I would hope many -- that can rise above such negative emotions.
However, I also recognize that nationalism in Armenia, or specifically its Diaspora, and Turkey are going to give rise to such attitudes and hatred. However, ultimately, I think it is unfortunate. People are people the world over, I hope.
And if anything, what is happening now, as well as the fact that Armenia and Turkey are neighbours, should show us all there is a need for reconciliation between moderate voices. So, I am writing this comment in the hope that you will reconsider your opinion.
Of course, you can hate the resolution, or Pelosi, or U.S. politics, or a whole range of other subjects, but I hope that you won't hate me and those others who certainly don't hate you. :-)
Onnik, there is nothing that I would like more than to put this issue to rest and to move on.
The Turkish government has repeatedly agreed to have a joint commission of EXPERTS sort through the fact of the events of 1915 but to no avail. Armenians would not even hear of it. Furthermore, Turkey has agreed to accept the outcome WHATEVER it is. Does that not sound fair and reasonable to you? Why the resistance by the Armenians? I just don't understand it. Can you or anyone please shed some light on that point??
To be honest, I steer clear of the Genocide issue apart from at times like this when it hits major news. As such, I post entries on my blog (linked to on my name here in this comments section) and I try to put as many different viewpoints as possible.
This also includes Turkish media, bloggers etc as well as Armenian and international. I've also said on some of those posts that it's a pity that some kind of communication can't be started between Armenian and Turkish bloggers although yes, I understand that nationalism on both sides can make such ideas problematic to say the least.
However, I at least hope that one day, a civil and mature conversation can occur. Not sure it will happen, and it isn't on my blog at the moment. Yes, it's understandable why, but I think it's a pity.
Incidentally, you'll notice that I'm purposely not talking about the actual issue here and there's a reason for that. Simply, I don't want to get involved in anything that can ignite tempers and passions on both sides.
Instead, I'm trying to just do my thing on my own blog without reverting to racial stereotypes or inciting hatred. This is something we can all do without, although yes, one point that has been made by some Turkish commentators is that this resolution is more likely to push Armenians and Turks further apart than they already were.
Anyway, for anyone interested, and all can comment as long as they keep with common internet etiquette, feel free to drop by and give your opinion. As I said, what I believe we need more than anything is reasoned discussion and a variety of opinions as to how to resolve this issue.
BTW: If you have a Facebook account I've set up a group in the hope that Armenian, Azerbaijani and Georgian bloggers can start communicating with each other. Because of where the region is, and many overlapping issues, I'd also like to include Turkish bloggers too.
Anyway, if you're interested, it's at:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5735179012
BTW: Sorry for any confusion re. the last comment. That's me as well (onewmphoto). Forgot to check the right option for the identity.
I agree with you Turkish girl and this is from someone who has nothing to do with either side just observed both sides.
What would be the point of a "joint commission" with a government that has made it illegal to even discuss the Armenian Genocide? I can understand having a joint commission with sincere academics who are free to examine an issue within the guidelines of the scientific method. But Turkey's academics are not free to do so, and they start their inquiry from the point of negation, not the point of neutrality or inquiry. Thus, until Turkey can show that discussion of the Armenian Genocide in Turkey is completely free and without restriction, any "joint commission" with a Turkish delegation would be ridiculous to say the least.
Moreover, the Armenian Genocide is the second most studied Genocide in history, behind the Holocaust. The vast majority of academics who have studied it are not Armenian; they are American, British, French, Jewish, Israeli, German, and even Turkish, and it is almost unanimous among them that this was a Genocide. In fact, the inquiry has long transcended the issue of whether or not it was a Genocide. Now academics are studying other issues around the Genocide, such as comparative studies, psycho-anthropological studies, impact on psycho-sociology, etc. As usual, Turkey is way behind on all of this and is still trying to comically convince the world that it didn't happen.
Dear Anonymous,
How about taking it to The Hague - now that's a neutral starting point?
Furthermore, your "genocide" has been "studied" because - when you pay off politicians (and you know you have) - they take a special interest in your mythical cause/"genocide.
Both Turkey and Armenia should get over the stupid 'genocide', and maybe, just maybe, those of us who are half of one and half of the other can have a bit of peace.
You, as a blogger, seem to enjoy going on and on about the 'genocide'. Around a third or so of the posts I've read so far are about it. Find a different pastime, because bitterness is not healthy, nor is getting riled up over a trivial matter.
Agreed. I know longer give a crap about it.
I live in Glendale, CA... Need I say more. I routinely get into arguments with the armeanian populace about this so call genocide, and I have come to conclusion that most armeanins know they are embellishing history but feel they need to keep pushing the subject so that people care that they exist (most us don't anyway).
O SNAP!! YOU IS WRRRROOOOONNNGG!
I hear ya!!
Here is how I view this issue... The term "genocide" means "a systematic extermination of a people". This has never been proved by anyone as to what the Turks supposedly did. In a civil war, if people are killed, they are called casualties of war. The ashes, bones and bodies of 6 million Jews were discovered in WW2. If there were millions of people killed by the Turks, where are the bodies? How can you hide millions of bodies? You show me that many bodies as the armenians claim and I will take another look at it. Until then, I will go along with the 2 Paris Peace Conferences after WW1 that denied armenia's claims. By the way, the term "Genocide" was not coined until after WW2. The use of this word by the armenians is meaningless. Now I am not an armenian basher. I go to an armenian dentist and an armenian doctor. Both of who, I have a tremendous amount of respect and trust for. It is just that over the past few years, the number of people supposedly killed in 1915 has grown whenever an armenian talks about it. In 5 years it will be up to 5 million. Get your facts and documents and give them to an independent counsel and let the chips fall as they may. One other point, General Dro was an armenian who, along with about 75,000 troops assisted the nazis in WW2 in finding, rounding up and exterminating Jews. Nice group of folks.
I hear ya!
The Turks failed. The true American uprising won't leave you to leach off the valley anymore. We will make sure of it. American revolution begins at home. Watch your front.
Keep on dreaming.
I'm in los angles and it is really time for someone to do something about these people. The persian-armenians are poisoning the very moral fabric of America. Who is going to take it back? It seems like most rather just learn the language. How have we let ourselves become so caught up in what is p.c., to the point where our homeland becomes someone elses? These people only watch out for themselves and thier own ethnicity. I've actually had people walk up to me, ask if I was Armenian, then abruptly leave when I reply, "no". This IS supposed to be the great melting pot, true. However, the fact that armenians only look out for other armenians, not thier "Fellow Americans". Wake up, America!!!!
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